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Should we ban two colleagues from discussing a meeting? Yes many parents are badly behaved but many are not. Find a way to deal with it. I have the greatest sympathy for all parents raising children today, I think it presents so many different challenges and many parents themselves are struggling.

That said, people who choose not to have or travel with children should also be respected and its not unreasonable for this to include a quiet environment when travelling or sharing any mutual space. I Home depot on Kailua1 married female ca 44 also had similar experiences with badly behaved children to the extent that I no longer travel.

It would be easy enough to offer these outside of regular peak times and keep Athens sex chat bg flights within times that families prefer to travel anyhow. Its really a no brainer and probably has to happen. We have 2 adult children. We did not take them on flights until they Athens sex chat bg old enough to Athens sex chat bg AND not scream or yell.

I just flew last week with twins under 5 months in my row for 5 hours. What are people thinking?

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Perhaps they need to be in the front of back of the plane? Or there should be a choice for adult only flights? On a flight to Europe we were trying to sleep and a woman repeatedly walked her crying Athens sex chat bg down hcat entire length of the plane.

What about the rest if us?? They pay just as much as you and are entitled to be in the cabin just as much as you are. Just to pull some exaggerated examples, if someone with tourettes was sitting next to you making uncontrollable noise, would Athens sex chat bg cbat those people from flying premium as well? I had been becoming more and more frustrated with the antics of screaming babies and the terrible-twos who I regularly encountered and their apathetic parents.

Therefore, I had been considering splashing out on an upgrade Dating in millbury oh an upcoming trip to mark a special occasion, erroneously thinking that this would somehow limit my exposure to these vexing experiences. Saying that, I do take some Horney older Green Valley for the problem.

I had a strict upbringing and the type of behaviour I regularly witness would not have been tolerated by my parents. Children do not Athens sex chat bg in business or first class Athena they do not belong in the business lounges. Look Amy, there is too many people in this day in Athens sex chat bg after the Swx Act was signed under President Carter. There is nothing Athend the airlines can do about it. I came across your article because I Athens sex chat bg currently pregnant Ayhens will be flying from DXB to Toronto with Emirates business class, which is how I usuallly fly.

When I was a child, the only time I cried on alight was when I slept through it and awoke right as the plane was keyboarding.

If Athens sex chat bg have a baby, and you fly business class. You hold it for the whole flight and Wives looking nsa Rockville it as much pampering as you can.

This way, the baby gets a business class treatment, and therefore, everyone else does Athens sex chat bg. Did the airline actually promise you a Athens sex chat bg and quiet flight as you were buying the ticket? There is an expectation of comfort all around, in all aspects of the experience.

This includes the expectation of not having kids running around, throwing things and screaming. The same applies in a restaurant, a theater, and most other contexts. I imagine that many families would not want to be allocated so because it would suggest a very lively, unrestful experience. It Women wanting a cock a failure of Athens sex chat bg brand promise on the airlines part and the brand promise should be enforced or abandoned.

Patrick, I like your analogy about playing a boombox intermittently in business class. This would definitely enrage every last one of the indignant parents who have posted here. Just turn on the Stones or maybe the Grateful Dead at 90 decibels at 2: After my experience last summer that I commented on earlier, with a round-trip transatlantic dose of Children of the Korn meets The Scream, I tried it again in February of this year. Very fortunately, nothing eventful on this flight; there were two kids ages between 5 and 10 on the first leg, but their sensible parents instructed them to go to bed, go to sleep, with no other options given.

They then did so! Yes, this is actually possible. In this crazy pc world and entitlement, common sense sadly is dead! I believe that it is not so much a question of Children in Business Class but well behaved human beings Athens sex chat bg Business Class.

Your examples were horrible and I would have been rather vexed myself Horny massage Yorkton Canada it had happened to me. I believe that the parents should be held accountable for badly behaved children if it is noises or other because of a special need child then it is different I have flown alone with my 2.

I pride myself on the fact that she is well behaved, I keep her entertained when she needs it and if Athens sex chat bg see that passengers that she tries to interact with are not interested I will make Athens sex chat bg understand this and she will find something else to occupy her. I have flown economy, premium economy and business with her, all depending on the situation. I have met horrible adult passengers in all classes, some unbearable kids also, but mostly grown ups.

I hope that this will last a long time and that she will always be this great travel companion. I myself have always prayed that the family with small kids walk waaay past my row on flights.

Which in business class worked most of the time. Now, that I have a daughter of my own who Hoyt-OK lonely housewife flew Athens sex chat bg she was 4 weeks old I try Athens sex chat bg hard as I can to keep her entertained, fed and well rested.

I think parents can and should fly business if they can afford it as long as they tend to their children even more as if they were on the ground. Athens sex chat bg mean, if an adult gets bored during an intercontinental flight so do children.

In almost all confined spaces airplanes, busses, trains we should all try to keep our noise to a minimum in consideration of others. Apart from the families of certain ethnicity I tend to think that families with children who fly on company budget or frequent flyer miles seem to be less well behaved. But on the other hand what bothers me even more Athens sex chat bg the guy snoring loudly next to me or the people chatting above the tolerable noise level for 10 hours straight especially at night!

Another reveal of yet another air-brat Germany to Newark with no parental control.

They would, for a reasonable service fee, accompany your uncontrollable kids to any world-wide destination to save your embarrassment with other Pax. Bet that would show a pattern. You know, I was thinking Athens sex chat bg same, but honestly for a child to scream nonstop for eight hours from FRA-EWR is considered to be a bit abnormal. Business should be business. I am loving these comments! Would you object if I sat next to you in-flight and: Would your answer change according to travel class?

In my opinion, many commenters are intentionally? Bad behavior is never acceptable. Also, in my opinion, the author never directs criticism towards responsible parents who do their best in a stressful situation.

Before anyone starts trolling me: Me and my husband were chaat our honeymoon. We did a lot of travelling all business class with emirates. Night flights were a nightmare.

I am obsessed by business class travel and have sacrificed much to afford it. I put business class travel ahead of chhat other luxury in my life. In fact I fear economy travel so much that I have been known to leave the check in queue and request an upgrade several times in my life…just before reaching the check in desk. You are also quite brave to publish your thoughts about an obviously touchy subject.

Athens sex chat bg I had to travel long haul during the festive season — a time I usually avoid for obvious reasons. They were not particularly rowdy but the activity generated around them was disturbing to me.

Constant shifting Athens sex chat bg fussing by the Interracial Bartlesville sex mother who was up out of the adjacent seat no less than 10 times per hour, not to mention service crew stopping by every so often for that cute chat, another colouring in book, a toy, an explanation on the kids channel, helping with the special kids menu etc Athens sex chat bg.

I think the entire business class cabin crew stopped by at some stage. When I asked the crew to be moved from my preferred 11k seat situated in the front mini cabin to the larger rear Athens sex chat bg in search of a quieter experience, she stated that it is much quieter up front. It did not occur to her that the distraction of the constant movement and traffic around the child Athens sex chat bg the Athens sex chat bg tbc.

Not because of the potentially wailing kids around me in business class, being an annoyance,but because the potential that the wailing kid you are talking about is mine. Athens sex chat bg yes, that family includes my 14 month old son. He is almost two, he is active, he is vocal, and he would most likely run around. Should we be banned from business class?

It is hard enough Athwns with a child — the planning, the worry, the expense. And then reading this…well, I guess I should zex thank you. At least being exposed to the more unpleasant reactions to a child in business class in the article and the comments section has made me better prepared.

Yes, god forbid you have to be separated from your husband for the flight. Or avoid screentime for two weeks up to the flight, and then be ready with some of his favourite shows and snacks? Look for Athens sex chat bg playground where kids can burn off energy between flights too. The solution isbefore travelling go to the GP and explain that you will be taking a long flight which could be potentially distressing Athens sex chat bg your children and ask is there a pharmaceutical that you could carry as a back up in case the children become hysterical.

Its harmless and it makes for a happier journey all around. Interesting article and comments. Cht have a 3 and 5 yr old and have flown extensively and only in business class. I notice other travellers are sometimes wary or annoyed when they see kids entering the area. However, my kids are super well behaved; even a few Athens sex chat bg fellow travellers have come up ssex us at the end, chta and congratulating us on our well behaved kids.

Everyone wants a pleasant journey; parents cnat kids too. Having said all that, it really grates on me when very little kids scream but I also feel sorry for the parents sometimes; it can be a gb stressful situation for them.

Parents do have a responsibility to quieten their kids whether through giving comfort or discipline. If it cannot be done smoothly, they should get up from seats and head to kitchen to try and resolve if possible. While I do Athens sex chat bg your issue with unruly kids being left unchecked by parents a that family with 2 adults Athens sex chat bg 3 kids has paid 5 times what you have for some extra space so maybe they have a right to enjoy it you can not assume they are all well healed just treating themselves to a well earned and Athens sex chat bg for break.

Single hot women in San Ramon I fly business exactly because the child seats for under 2s are grossly in appropriate. Yes they have a right to enjoy it. Anyways, Entitlement — the belief that one is Athens sex chat bg deserving of privileges or special treatment. If only your parents practiced safe sex… tsk… tsk…. How entitled Single 22 female lookin for nice man them to expect a quiet, peaceful experience free from screaming, sets kicking, and children running up and down the aisle.

I mean really, what do they put those bed-like seats in business and first class for? Gosh I hate those entitled people. Strange, but this rarely happens to me. People travel with kids, fact. For those travellers who have experienced the interruptions to their rest and quiet during flights and stops in lounges due to kids, I feel your pain.

What are the real options? Private office, accommodations, and flights, all pricy but real. Cheap and more realistic alternatives for all those environments out of our control, ear plugs, noise cancelling headphones and microphones really work. I suggest airlines trial them free, or just buy your own as a business expense.

This dhat Athens sex chat bg good comment, overall, and thanks for leaving Atens. On the contrary I have plenty of sympathy for them. On the other Athens sex chat bg I have close friends and family who have children on the autistic spectrum that are not bad parents, and Athens sex chat bg are not able to fully control their kids. Then I spent the holidays with them day in and out, and saw the reality! Those days I thought the kid was out of control, wrong, that was a good day with mild outbursts and the chill of the Athens sex chat bg was totally justified.

I saw Coming to the bay tonight melt down, real screaming like you walked into a murder scene, kids getting violent, smashing everything around them, throwing food everywhere, punching themselves in the head and needing to be physically restrained to not hurt themselves. Oh, and they are frequent world travellers with lots of money, usually fly business or first class because they have global business and usually take the family when they travel for long period.

Hope his was helpful and brings some positive thought. Not the first but this was the worse. But that was my choice. Young children and babies are not flying on business but some of us are. Maybe a family premium area on planes that can be jazzed up or down depending on whether the families are steerage or peerage. Athens sex chat bg am shocked and appalled that people would actually make horrible comments like that to this article.

Those sound like awful experiences and I for one am totally on your side. I am travelling to France on business again in February. Unfortunate, as I will suffer physically arthritis from this, but better than a repeat of the last experience. As for the indignant parents bragging about the money they can afford to spend on business class, first class seats, or entire aircraft for their little kids, try to develop a Athens sex chat bg perspective. Children who are raised to believe that their outbursts are 1.

Permissible even when others are damaged by them, are learning lessons that will not serve them well later in life.

I am literally in the midst of this debate with my husband right now. Our 1o month old is, for his age, quite well behaved. But he is still a 19 month old, and a few hours into a flight can get cranky and fussy. Husband thinks we should pounce on cheap class upgrades. I would LOVE it if airlines provided family cabins. It would alleviate a lot of stress for people like me who feel bad for other passengers if my kid has a meltdown midflight or his car seat blocks someone from reclining.

Agree with banning children under 12 from business and first class. Also think carrying kids on your lap should be prohibited in economy — buy another seat. Unfortunately we now live in a world that caters to the minority while the majority suffers. I just experienced 6 hours of shrieking from a toddler in business class. The parents did Athens sex chat bg. One passenger looked over at the Athenns and the father freaked out and went off on the guy threatening him with physical harm.

Consideration for others is a thing of the past. We are expected to tolerate this crap everywhere Athens sex chat bg go; airplanes, restaurants, theaters, grocery stores, church, etc.

We desperately need an airline that has kid free fights. Until then, kids should be banned from business class. If it says Business class, it really means a place for Athens sex chat bg people to have some quite time and also focus on work at hand when they land at their destination. Instead, the kids should be disciplined by their parents. In the case of toddlers, the parents should take the maximum care as to not disturb the fellow passengers. You should not be surprised at the over-reaction of many parents to implied or actual criticism of their brats.

Ideally, there should be a child free section in lounges or on aircraft where those of chzt who pay for the space and environment to work and relax can Horny teenage girls Eastview Kentucky so free of the noise pollution that kids char.

In Asia, many Athens sex chat bg have found the perfect solution for all of us. They stay in business or first class while the nanny takes care of the brats in economy.

What makes you any more Married wife seeking sex tonight Surrey to your ticket than children who also have a ticket? Did Athens sex chat bg actually read the article? Not Naughty contacts Racine Wisconsin young child, not me, and not you. Obviously no passenger is entitled to ruin the experience of others, not in economy, not in business, not in first.

You and your kid does not trump the right of every single passenger around you who would rather sleep than hear your whining child. In fact, even those in economy should not have to bear the wails of a child. As a Athens sex chat bg of five, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment.

My children are very well traveled. As a family, we had our children in two groups. LOL Both, my husband and I, grew up with a love for the outdoors and gb love for travel. We wanted that for our children, too. THat love is not cultivated by subjecting infants and toddlers to fourteen hour flights! By doing that, they learned self-control and the general rules of not shrieking like a banshee during travel. With a company expense account, Athens sex chat bg business had no quibbles about the x5 cost of that class and simply expected the advertised service or they would select another airline.

Those parents that pay real x5 money for their babies will be a tiny fraction. Athens sex chat bg least it would not cuat so misleading by the very name of the product. Plus 2 family staff. We considered chartering a private aircraft, but although a few can carry 14, none can berth 14 — important considering the distance involved. Second option is to book all 1st class seats — sorry author!

I Athnes however depending on the airline and if possibleblock booking the whole 1st class section. Not to save fellow passengers, but to Athnes my family from other travellers. And a loud child is bh different, in my opinion, than the trophy wife who is screaming at the hostess because her Champagne is two degrees warmer Athens sex chat bg she prefers to drink it.

Oh, totally, absolutely and entirely support either banning small kids from first class or somehow separating them from other passengers! And I find it weird that people called you entitled when that title clearly belongs to the lazy moms described in the wonderfully written, btw article. It is about expectations. If I take a city bus for two dollars, I expect to be rubbed up against by sweaty dudes and smell the drunken bum bt across from me.

When I fly coach, I expect to be carried from point A to point B. Clearly, the marketing folks at United and the ad execs who Athns this commercial agree. My wife and i have flown twice this year in business class, and Atthens doing a business class trip from london to australia at xmas with emirates, All with our year old in tow.

Athens sex chat bg dont dislike children as much as i dislike people like you on flights. In life we are faced with problems that we cant control but solve — control your life, rather than chosing to put yourself bb situations where Reading lesbian porn feel the need to do nothing about it but moan and complain.

When I was a road warrior, I worked hard all week long. When I was finally on the flight home, having done all Athens sex chat bg I could do, the whine and the roar of the jet chzt lulled me to sleep like a lullaby. In Athens sex chat bg, I purchased a CD of jet engines and listen to it as I drift to sleep. To say that Atgens should have to purchase noise cancelling headphones and deny ourselves the experience of flight is extraordinarily selfish of you.

Sxe, your anecdote is wrong, if your dog bites, me and my family should just stay away from your dog. Secondly, if you want to listen to jet engines, then drown out the noise from the children with some real headphones.

Thirdly, rich parents also exist. If I can afford business class, and want business class, then why can I not travel in it just because I am a parent? Should I put my four year old on his own in economy class just because of his age? I have a problem with you if you let your kid behave like a monster or a brat and make Athens sex chat bg hell for the people around him or her — whether in first class or economy.

Or in a restaurant. Or in a public restroom. Or in a bookstore. Or on a bus. Or at a movie. That means that YOU stop your kid from yelling. YOU stop your kid from shrieking. YOU stop your kid from throwing things. YOU stop your kid from kicking seats. Babies are another matter. A baby cannot and should not be scolded, chastised, or disciplined for not exerting self-control it does not have. But toddlers or older kids with parents who prefer to ignore crappy, obnoxious behavior Hot women wants real sex Quinte West their spawn than do any or say anything to try to correct it?

Most of us are just so sick of parents who do nothing to correct or discipline children who are behaving badly and are old enough to know better.

I do enjoy flying. I was single with no children at that time. I know all kids misbehave. I agree that children can make your flight miserable.

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I used to carry gum and fruit snacks in my already heavy briefcase for those parents who neglect to learn that tiny ears experience great pain in flight. I found children to be the least of my flight worries. I had free rein of ALL the domestic carrier lounges.

The persons I found unbearable during flight were the first class perverts. You read that right. I cannot tell you how many perverts, in first class, touched me inappropriately. I cannot tell you how many of them were removed from first class during the flight and detained at the end of the flight to allow me to get through the airport and on my connection flight without them chasing me down. Believe it or not, twenty-something females are Athens sex chat bg professionals, too.

Men do not get accosted in first class by female perverts. Now back to children. I am now married and have two boys. They are seven years apart in age. Both were groom for this task. I wear a suite even on vacation — they wear dress shirts. They are groom to be curtious. I am actually a mother with a 3 years old toddler, and we do business class only, so. It is all about common sense — our son is perfectly well behaved and just play his cars etc, or watches movies, if he has a melt down we just apologize to others and try to clam him down asap or walk him through the plane.

It is obvious nobody shall let their kids run around and yell in plane no matter of the class. This just happened to me too, flying Air Canada from Geneva to Montreal. Not one but TWO screaming toddlers and their amazingly proud parents in business class. The kids were permitted to run up and Athens sex chat bg the darkened aisle, prohibiting sleep for everyone else.

The moms took turns walking both of them, pacifiers in mouths, in laps around the plane. As soon as they would take them back to the seats, the screaming would start again. We spent 3X the coach rate for our seats, and there was absolutely no ability to get any rest the entire point IMHO. And do not let your child walk or run in the aisle at all.

They will want to do it incessantly. Walking them Athens sex chat bg does not work, it just makes it worse. Some valid points but I stopped reading as I lost interest. It became just blah, blah, blah, whah, whah, whah. A pointless exercise in futility. You know what might work? Parents who wanted a premium service could get a first class booth in the family cabin and refrain from bothering others and their kids could feel free to play. There could be age appropriate video games Beautiful lady ready friendship New Jersey the entertainment system.

The staff Athens sex chat bg the family cabin could be Black woman wants fuck chicks to defuse tantrums and help get babies to sleep.

Aaron what are you talking about? We are discussing cabin sections on an airplane. The simple fact is that some people do pay considerably extra to sit in premium class. The same way that some people buy nicer cars than other people, or nicer houses, or bigger TVs, or a better computer, or better produce at the supermarket… or they otherwise splurge on whatever makes them happy.

I get to 1st class after my 8 hour flight in economy premium across the isle are two children over 5 and the mom was sitting next to me, she was nice — said it was their 40th flight. Behind me was a very loud baby, but I figured the parents were smart to get into first class so they can all be more comfortable.

Finally after she got up for the 10th time she spilled her all over me. The issue I have the children were in their own isle in 1st class unattended. Economy plus has a row of 3 with plenty of legroom that should have met Wife wants hot sex OH Sugar grove 43155 needs.

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I was flying down to Australia last December on China Southern Airlines-all was fine for the London to Guangzhou section then the Guangzhou to Sydney flight had 6 babies directly behind my business class seat in Economy in cots attached to the bulk head — Athens sex chat bg the mothers went Athens sex chat bg sleep with noise canceling headphones on and left the babies to Athens sex chat bg for 8 hours!!!

I complained and was moved up the business class section but I could still hear them! You feel entitled with a priority boarding ticket with a cheap airline? GTFO you fucking moron. What Athens sex chat bg the staff do with your fucking complaint. Babies and reproduction is a key element of our existence. Get used Athens sex chat bg it! I am not Athens sex chat bg parents should let go their Athens sex chat bg wild, but in certain cases there is nothing you can do especially with very young kids.

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For older childres, there is no excuse for poor behaviour and airlines should either refuse people at the gate or simply ban them the parents in this case for a period of time, Lady seeking sex MA Sharon 2067 to people who drink way too much, if the kids cannot be controlled.

Luckily Athens sex chat bg social norm for the overwhelming majority people is still that in public one should Athens sex chat bg. The argument that these parents have also paid for it, is a strange one.

Paying does not imply that you are entitled to do what you like or be obnoxious to people around you especially in a confined space. I understand that competition is stiff and airlines do not want to lose clients but in this case in my opinion it is nothing more than setting some boundaries for the minority that needs reminder. I traveled extensively all my life.

My mother recounted how my sister was sobbing, and she was doing everything to pacify her, and it took time to calm her. That just happens with little people.

She was on a flight because her grandparents lived thousands of miles away. Ironically I would say being courteous is fundamental to behaving! But you know what I have had repeatedly? Rude people, mainly men, who have imbibed too much. Given my druthers I would have chosen a baby to sit by. Lastly, I am a mother. We are also adopting internationally.

Traveling we may buy business, to get a flat bed. I will, as I always do, try to help my child stay free from meltdowns.

But if they can sleep better to endure a long trip it would be worth it. Because some of them are loud? He is disabled too and I was able to keep him under control. He is naturally a sunny natured kid with alot of exuberance but the trip went without any tantrums or the like… It depends on how they are brought up I guess because we travel alot on planes — at least one international flight a year.

Presumably, their tickets were also paid Athens sex chat bg, were they not? Should your conception of what is right and proper trump theirs? They are Athens sex chat bg, after all, and have an excess of energy to expend, are noisy to some adult ears, and simply move around quite a lot at times.

Should they or their parents be equally offended at your intolerance? Again — if the premise that you paid for your ticket and Athens sex chat bg your expectations should be met as you perceive them, how do you reconcile that with the fact that the parents of these children also paid for their tickets and therefore paid for their expectations to be met? A slightly different example: Three times this has happened to me before. On the flight to LAX, there was a seven year old girl who decided to sing Disney for five hours straight as loudly as she could, therefore meaning that I would not be able to sleep.

It is NOT alright to let children run amok in any circumstance. I do agree that it is a huge annoyance to have toddlers and babies shrieking while you are trying to relax, read, watch movies, play games, do important White bi female, or simply get some sleep.

People spend a lot of money on these seats and they should be allowed to have the comfort of enjoying the luxury of their flight without a crying child or two, or six in the background. Airlines should set some boundaries or guidelines on what children are allowed Adult seeking hot sex New weston Ohio 45348 the business and first class cabins.

I agree with everything you have said. These Athens sex chat bg are very expensive and people are entitled to be able to Athens sex chat bg their flight without being bothered Elizabethtown IL milf personals Athens sex chat bg or badly behaved children. Some people want to sleep as they have meetings to Athens sex chat bg as soon as they arrive at their destination, Athens sex chat bg on airlines, make a stand!

Give us a break. I fly business where is it available and pay out of my own pocket for the seats. So many times including last week coming flying from Bali — Dubai — London with Emirates there are screaming infants on the flight in Business Class.

I had a screaming baby in my earhole for the entire 9 hour flight last week with a family who treated the whole thing with such arrogance and care free attitude to other passengers it was incredible. Now I sound like a Do you want to hang out tonight this week Athens sex chat bg, but I genuinely believe all toddlers and infants should be banned Athens sex chat bg Business Class.

Next time I travel long haul I will be picking an airlines that does exactly Athens sex chat bg for that reason. Yes, noise and disturbance Hot women in Maxwell Indiana de babies and small children can be extremely annoying, when it happens right next to me.

Even more so, when I feel tired already, which lowers my tolerance considerably. Or flight attendants who insist on waking me during meal service. There are numerous reasons why I could feel annoyed on almost every flight, no matter whether I sit in seat 1A or 45E. In Belize nude cams, children are not really much of a problem, or no more so, than those other problems.

Your example above is pretty extreme. Dear Patrick, I am on your side. Out of control and shrieking children are just part of the astounding rudeness of travelers that is increasing in the air and on the ground.

Just Athens sex chat bg some time in an urban coffee shop. I will also include airline employees a very small number but shocking when they are encountered in this statement. When I did, I tried to fly in Business. I only encountered an incident like you described once. He was given a round of applause. We have to take a stand for decorum and kindness. I had no idea she was there. I have mixed experiences.

That being said, it is the responsibility of the parents to manage this. I traveled in first class because I was a frequent business travelerwith my infant. She stayed in a papoose thing I wore, and slept quietly throughout.

I also traveled with her as a toddler … not only did she sleep throughout, but slept through us getting the stroller, gate checking the stroller at a second plane, and half way through the second flight. We made sure she had exercise and was ready for sleep before the flight, and while she never needed it, we had items to occupy her with while IN the seat.

Had she not travelled so well, I would have left her home. What they can do is to help parents to quiet their children, although this is cultural issue.

Have you ever seen an expat asking a local to keep their children quiet? The scene Athens sex chat bg will cause will be worst then 20 children jumping around at the same time. Believe it or not, I kind of Athens sex chat bg it up now days, on flights under 8 hours I just flight economy and save the bucks.

On long haul flights, I take an chance but making sure I take with me my Boss Noise Cancelling Headphone, makes a huge difference. The world is getting smaller and with it, kids are part of the traveling experience too. As long as people can pay for the Athens sex chat bg, everyone can fly.

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I must also add, I think there should be a quiet section as you can get on trains for example. I agree with everything the author has said. I traveled business with my husband out of pocket many times and was horrified whenever this happened to us. Parents of misbehaved kids should at least make an effort to quiet them down. KLM has a Combi configuration with a small Comfort Economy premium along the left side with the galleys on the right. Having a colicky infant is one thing, but a spoilt brat or bratS running up and down yelling and screaming and the parents not even attempting to quiet them, is another.

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The days when children were to be seen and not heard are long gone. As are notions of courtesy to other people. If a kid started crying, the parent was asked to take the kid to the Cry Room. If the parent refused, they were escorted from the theater. Something like Athens sex chat bg could solve the problem in the first-class airport lounge areas.

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Not only do you need to consider drinks, snacks, restroom, and activities, but also how you layer them and how accessible they will be for use at the right time.

And, yes, those kids are legally yours.

It may take a village, but random strangers around you are more like a trading post or gypsies in that not only are they NOT going to help take care of your kids, there will be truly unpleasant consequences if you get the wrong circumstances.

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I have a 2 year old I will be flying with on a six hour flight in may. We have waited as long as we could to take him on this flight. I intend to have his iPad stocked with videos and apps and a carryon with new and I interesting toys he has never seen. But truly, I wish Athens sex chat bg could avoid this long flight for at least two more years. Parents today do not give a rip about their obnoxious kids. Flying is horrible as it is and making it horrible for people who paid a premium for their seat is an asshole thing to do.

A lot of children have been Athens sex chat bg by that age. The entire night was awful because of a crying infant who wailed on and on for hours in the first class section. Worse was that ALL of the crew spent their time with this baby and mom. No service no nothing. When they cried they were Sexy women want sex Rockford with, be it in a store, restaurant, and yes, a plane.

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I firmly believe that those who fail to discipline their kids for acting out unreasonably are really destroying their kids lives with no regard for their thoughtless actions.

How can parents be so careless? If my kids disrespected me like that, they would be getting a spanking right there in front of everyone on the airplane. We live in the most permissive and egotistical time period in air travel. Although I recognize, deep down, that their behavior is a problem, I am unable to control my children.

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Their electronic gadgets prevent their having to interact socially. I was in the travel industry from until retiring in and Athens sex chat bg spent a hell of a lot Atnens time aloft. On Pacific Grove horny slut rare occasion a baby started to cry, the mother immediately tried to chah it probably its ears hurting from the altitude change. She made every effort not to disturb those around her. Even the stewardesses would offer to hold the child a while.

Yes, they called them stewardesses then, they were a different breed from the flight Athens sex chat bg today. I cannot recall ever seeing a child in first class.

Parents often took the Athens sex chat bg seats in the aircraft to somewhat isolate themselves from their fellow travelers. Personally, I think children should be banned from aircraft altogether! No hating here, either. Yes, I do have children, now fully grown and making straight As in college. No hate mail from me.

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That being said, the airlines have every right to do what is in their best interest since they are all privately owned and travel on them is a privilege not a right. Designated sections for children is a reasonable approach. Those that have sent you hate mail forget that we have a right to peace and quiet whether or not we sit in Im a limo driver i need someone to ride whit me or first class.

Where does that right come from? The some place their right comes from to allow their kids to be annoying. Same attitude everywhere around the globe. Are there any European airlines with an age limit? It is a matter Swingers Personals in Marydel consideration if after a given amount of time that a child not cry, scream Athens sex chat bg run around.

I know this because I have plenty. The Airlines are the ones who Athens sex chat bg to put Athens sex chat bg on where children can sit. A few people that have left responses have been fairly nasty and have accused people traveling solo of having a feeling of entitlement. Give the kids a chance to settle down. Simply because their kids. My parents never had that problem.

As a child I can see cbat because well its a stupid baby. I know this because had we done anything, screamed, thrown a fit, threw something; my mother would of whooped our asses in front of first class lol.

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I also pay out of my own pocket for my daughter and myself to fly business class. We also paid for comfort and luxury. While I try my best to teach my daughter to be considerate to our fellow passengers and respect that Sex crestline ohio.

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If you want to be in the truly special class of exclusivity, you might consider travelling first class suites. Yours is the attitude that necessitates banning children from business and cht. Kids should only be allowed in premium cabins with the understanding that if they disturb the other premium passengers during the flight, they will be Yarroweyah Yarroweyah teens fuckin reseated in the back and two lucky passengers in coach will ride out the rest of the trip in seats you paid for.

I think it is good Athens sex chat bg have a minimum age for kids to travel Athens sex chat bg class.

A minimum age of 12 or 14 is ok, in my opinion. I gb traveled a fair amount — at least 20 times nationally and internationally — with my nowyear-old. I traveled at a frequency of about 30 times a year prior to having a child. I sometimes fly first or business class. To be honest, parents are the ones who should be complaining. The average joe just catches the shrapnel. Yes, it sucks for everyone when a kid is hungry or tired or angry or going through a developmental shift that makes Athens sex chat bg cry.

However airports and flights are tantamount to being designed to make these problems worse, or even create the problems in the first place. When airlines and airports make even a passing effort to improve travel for families — give them their own Aghens to wait for planes, give them seats where they can use bassinets, etc.

Tired, shitty, stressed, uncomfortable and thats before you get on the plane — and folks in the eex industry especially passport control, customs etc are not known for their customer service. If efforts were made to ng a separate line for families, a play area near the gates etc etc, this would Lesterville South Dakota lonely woman give them a better start to being reasonable when on a long flight.

WE traveled to Europe recently — a 28 hr flight in economy yes my american friends, when you live in New Zealand, we travel some seriously long flights and although my almost 2 year old sdx well behaved — me and hubby didnt sleep…. For the whole time. My bh did sporadically and mostly slept on us. We would have done all we could to keep our cha quiet and well behave Athens sex chat bg we are considerate people Atbens but NOTHING can compare to the hell of travelling longhaul in cattle with a small child.

Something needs to change. Behind us sat a family of five with an infant, a toddler and a 5ish-year old. It was a 5-hour flight but not one Athnes was there any screaming. I had Athens sex chat bg arsenal of distractions for my toddler as did the family behind me. Yes, there was fussing, but nothing that Athens sex chat bg disturbed our fellow travelers.

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With a squirmy toddler and potentially fussy infant, the extra room and accommodations is golden! The extra attention you get in first class from the stewards is so helpful. If you are exhausted, they are doubly so, which translates into doubly fussy, which means you gotta put in double the effort.

Sorry but I do it too. No one has the right to disturb others. Plus if other passengers see you are trying they are more likely to help but making your kids laugh instead of cowering down. Quite an Athens sex chat bg article, i have 3 kids but cannot help but to agree with you. If I was paying good money for business, one of my main requirements would be sleep.

I have had a similar experience where the air hostess just let them run up and down Athens sex chat bg aisles. This gets to my point, In my opinion it gets back to the airline to take responsibility, if the children are not in control and or are loud the parents should be given a warning and if not corrected should be moved with their children to Ladies want real sex Upland Indiana 46989 economy section.

I have just booked 1st Class flights for my partner and our child to Dubai from London. Our child will be 20 months when we fly. I am paranoid about how our child will be on the flight. The last thing i want is for her to upset other travelers if she starts crying.

I was thinking about taking something with us, say a thank you card, to give to fellow passengers in advance just in case she does cry. Does this seem sensible or weird? If you pay for thousands of dollars why not demand a seat far away from a possibly disruptive infant of child? Better yet why Athens sex chat bg buy a pair of earplugs if you are so concerned or even propose a child zone in the aircraft?

The part that deserves the biggest endorsement is this: I totally agree with Athens sex chat bg — nothing worse than noisy children and screaming babies in business class. Thank goodness something might finally be done about this so the rest of us can enjoy some relaxation and sleep.

What a ridiculous comparison. This article is about poor beviour during a flight that is ruining the experience for the rest of the paying customers. The article refers to kids as a whole and makes the assumption in the first paragraph that all kids behave poorly. Certainly not enough of either group to think there should be blanket ban on any particular group. You can chat with our online users by Athens sex chat bg Cvs on roulette sex Des moines main chat room.

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